ReSolve Riffs: Navigate All Market Storms with this Investment Process!

With Bradley Barrie (Co-founder and Chief Investment Officer, Dynamic Wealth Group) and Matt O’Bryon (Investment Analyst, Dynamic Wealth Group)

In this episode, our team dives deep into the intricacies of asset classes, correlations, and the importance of diversification in investment portfolios. We discuss the challenges of the traditional 60/40 investment strategy and explore the potential of alternative investment approaches.

Topics Discussed

  • The limitations of diversifying only at the asset class level and the importance of understanding correlations
  • The challenges faced by investors due to the shifting correlations between stocks and bonds
  • How high growth, high inflation, low growth, low inflation, and other economic regimes can impact asset correlations
  • The importance of being prepared for various market conditions and the risks of trying to predict market movements
  • The goal of creating a smoother return experience for investors by minimizing drawdowns and downside risks
  • The importance of understanding the risks and potential returns of different asset classes and strategies
  • The challenges and benefits of implementing alternative investment strategies
  • The role of benchmarking in investment strategies and the potential pitfalls of focusing too much on relative returns
  • The importance of narrowing down the range of investment outcomes and eliminating big down years
  • The nuances of managing risk exposures in portfolios and the importance of being adaptable in different market environments
  • The potential of alternative investments and strategies in creating diversified portfolios
  • The importance of understanding and managing the risks associated with different investment strategies

This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in understanding the complexities of asset classes, correlations, and investment strategies. It provides valuable insights into alternative investment approaches and the importance of diversification in achieving smoother return experiences and minimizing downside risks.

This is “ReSolve Riffs” – live on YouTube every Friday afternoon to debate the most relevant investment topics of the day, hosted by Adam Butler, Mike Philbrick and Rodrigo Gordillo of ReSolve Global* and Richard Laterman of ReSolve Asset Management.

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Summary

Asset diversification is integral for managing investment risk and securing positive returns. However, recent years have shown that traditional correlations between asset classes such as stocks and bonds might not always hold. Thus, it’s vital to understand that correlations can change depending on market regimes, like periods of high growth and high inflation, or low growth and low inflation. Investors should seek out asset classes with low correlations to each other, and positive long-term return prospects, to ensure the underperformance of any single asset class does not significantly impact their portfolio. Moreover, the strategy and manager also play critical roles, and should be capable of balancing and rebalancing between different asset classes to create alpha and reduce risk. To be successful in investing, it is more effective to be prepared for different market scenarios rather than attempting to predict specific outcomes. This approach, dubbed ‘preparation over prediction’, recommends building portfolios that can weather various market conditions. A key aspect is to anticipate different scenarios and not be caught off-guard by underperformance. For instance, being prepared for high inflation may not have yielded benefits in the past, but it serves as an insurance against the negative impacts of underperforming bonds. The goal is to design a seamless return experience for investors, with minimal drawdowns and downside risk. To achieve this, it is crucial to look beyond traditional asset classes and consider low-correlation strategies. By diversifying the portfolio and understanding how different strategies relate, one can build a more balanced and robust portfolio. The focus should be on achieving long-term goals and providing a positive return stream for clients. However, implementation can be challenging and requires moving away from traditional benchmarking and embracing unique characteristics of each investment. This approach necessitates fresh thinking and a multi-dimensional approach to investing. Financial advisors’ primary objective is to create a smooth return experience for investors. This involves minimizing drawdowns and downside risk to help investors stay invested and achieve their financial goals. The perception of risk varies between investors and financial professionals, with investors often preferring a smoother return experience over maximizing returns. The challenge is to balance risk and return in a way that protects clients’ financial plans. This might mean sacrificing some upside potential, but as long as the client’s goals are met, it is a worthwhile trade-off. Introducing alternative strategies to clients can be challenging. Advisors need to engage in collaborative conversations focusing on the overall portfolio performance and client’s goals. Building trust and facilitating understanding is key, especially when explaining the benefits of alternatives. Advisors must address fear of missing out on potential upside in exchange for downside protection by highlighting the long-term benefits of risk management. To successfully implement alternative strategies, advisors need a deep understanding of these strategies and how they fit within the client’s investment objectives. Complementing diversification, narrative-based investing could be a viable strategy. It involves analyzing the underlying story or narrative behind an investment opportunity, considering market dynamics, trends, and potential catalysts that can drive performance. Position sizing is a critical aspect of this strategy, with stronger convictions receiving higher weight in the portfolio. In conclusion, diversification at the asset class level is a key component of successful portfolio management. This approach, coupled with preparation over prediction, can help build portfolios that can withstand various market conditions and provide a smooth return experience for investors. The use of alternative strategies and narrative-based investing provides fresh perspectives for portfolio management. While challenges exist, advisors who take a holistic view of the portfolio, manage correlations and balance risk and return effectively, can guide their clients to achieve their long-term financial goals.

Topic Summaries

1. The importance of diversification at the asset class level

Diversifying at the asset class level is crucial for managing risk and achieving positive returns. In recent years, the correlations between stocks and bonds have not held, which has been troubling for many investors. This highlights the need to consider different market environments and potential idiosyncratic factors when diversifying. It is important to understand that correlations can vary depending on the regime, such as high growth with high inflation or low growth with low inflation. Therefore, relying solely on historical correlations may not be sufficient. The goal is to find asset classes with low correlations to each other and positive long-term return prospects. By diversifying across different asset classes, investors can reduce the impact of any one asset class underperforming. It is also important to consider the strategy and manager when building a diversified portfolio. The strategy should be able to balance and rebalance between different asset classes to create alpha and reduce risk. The focus should not solely be on relative returns to indices, but rather on helping clients achieve their goals. The aim is to narrow the range of outcomes and eliminate big down years that could significantly impact investment performance. Overall, diversification at the asset class level is a key component of successful portfolio management.

2. The importance of ‘preparation over prediction’ in investing

In the world of investing, it is more effective to be prepared for different market scenarios rather than trying to predict specific outcomes. This approach, known as ‘preparation over prediction’, focuses on building portfolios that can withstand various market environments. The idea is to avoid being blindsided by underperformance by being prepared for different scenarios. For example, being prepared for high inflation may not have paid off in the past, but it is a small price to pay for avoiding the negative impact of underperforming bonds. The goal is to create a smooth return experience for investors, minimizing drawdowns and downside risk. This approach requires looking beyond traditional asset classes and considering strategies that have low correlations to each other. By diversifying the portfolio and understanding how different strategies relate to each other, it is possible to create a more balanced and robust portfolio. The focus is on achieving long-term goals and providing a positive return stream for clients. While it may be challenging to implement this approach and move away from benchmarking, it is important to consider the unique characteristics of each investment and how they contribute to the overall portfolio. By embracing fresh thinking and taking a multi-dimensional approach, advisors can help their clients achieve a smoother return experience and enhance their risk-adjusted returns.

3. Smooth return experience and risk management

Creating a smooth return experience for investors is the main objective of financial advisors. This involves minimizing drawdowns and downside risk in order to help investors stay invested and achieve their financial goals. The perception of risk differs between investors and financial professionals, with investors often valuing a smoother return experience over maximizing returns. The challenge for advisors is to balance risk and return in a way that protects the financial plans of their clients. By narrowing the range of outcomes and eliminating big down years, advisors can help prevent financial plans from being derailed. This may mean sacrificing some upside potential, but as long as the goals of the client are achieved, it is considered a worthwhile trade-off. The goal is to build portfolios that are robust in any market environment, taking into account the limited set of tools available in the public market. Implementation can be challenging, but advisors who focus on the overall portfolio rather than individual positions have found success. The traditional approach of finding the best-in-class fund for each sleeve of the portfolio is not applicable in this context. Instead, advisors need to understand what is happening below the surface and how each component of the portfolio fits together. This requires intuition, learning, long-term ownership, and rebalancing. By doing so, advisors can enhance returns, decrease risk, and provide better outcomes for their clients as they withdraw from their portfolios.

4. Challenges of introducing alternative strategies

Introducing alternative strategies to clients who are unfamiliar with them can be challenging. Some clients may be resistant to change or may not fully understand the need for alternatives. Advisors need to have collaborative conversations with clients, focusing on the overall portfolio performance and the goals of the client. It is important to build trust and provide information to facilitate understanding. In these conversations, advisors often find that clients have a limited understanding of alternatives and may not see the value in incorporating them into their portfolios. The challenge lies in explaining the benefits of alternatives and why they are necessary. Advisors need to frame the problem in a way that resonates with clients, emphasizing the importance of thinking outside the box and embracing fresh thinking. One sticking point in these conversations is the fear of giving up potential upside in exchange for downside protection. Advisors need to address this concern by highlighting the long-term benefits of risk management and how it can help clients achieve their financial goals. Building trust is crucial in these discussions, as clients need to feel confident that their advisor has their best interests in mind. Another challenge is the implementation of alternative strategies. Advisors need to navigate the complexities of these strategies and ensure they align with the client’s overall portfolio. This requires a deep understanding of the different alternatives and how they fit within the client’s investment objectives. By focusing on the overall portfolio performance rather than individual line items, advisors can simplify the conversation and help clients see the bigger picture. In conclusion, introducing alternative strategies to clients requires effective communication and a collaborative approach. Advisors need to address clients’ resistance to change and limited understanding of alternatives by framing the problem in a way that resonates with them. Building trust and providing information are key in facilitating understanding. By focusing on the overall portfolio performance and goals, advisors can help clients embrace fresh thinking and incorporate alternatives into their investment strategies.

5. Benchmarking and portfolio implementation

Benchmarking is a common practice in the industry, but it may not be suitable for alternative strategies. Advisors should focus on helping clients achieve their goals rather than solely comparing returns to benchmarks. Implementation of alternative strategies can be more complex, especially when dealing with concentrated positions and non-correlated return streams. When discussing portfolios with clients, it is important for advisors to keep the conversation at a high level and build trust. Going through every line item in the portfolio can lead to underperformance of certain alternatives at different times. Instead, advisors should analyze the return stream and determine how it fits best with the rest of the portfolio. This approach requires a deeper understanding of what is happening below the surface. The implementation of alternative strategies can be challenging, but advisors who have moved away from discussing individual positions with their clients have seen success. This shift in approach is more aligned with the advisory basis in the RIA world, where the overall performance of the portfolio matters the most. Benchmarking is an important aspect of portfolio management, but it can vary depending on the client’s location and vulnerabilities. However, it is crucial to consider the client’s goals and objectives when determining the benchmark. Alternative strategies often involve concentrated positions and non-correlated return streams. While the individual plays may appear correlated at times, the overall return stream tends to be non-correlated to equities. Therefore, it is essential to evaluate the combination of different return streams and their potential for achieving great results.

6. Narrative-based investing and position sizing

Narrative-based investing involves analyzing fundamental cases, demand-supply imbalances, and conviction sizing. This approach focuses on understanding the underlying story or narrative behind an investment opportunity. It considers factors such as market dynamics, trends, and potential catalysts that can drive the performance of a particular asset or strategy. By looking beyond traditional metrics and financial analysis, narrative-based investing aims to capture the broader context and sentiment surrounding an investment. Position sizing is an important aspect of this strategy, as it determines the allocation of capital to different investment ideas. The strength of convictions plays a role in position sizing, with stronger convictions receiving a higher weight in the portfolio. Diversification is also considered within positions to create non-correlation. This means that even within a specific theme or strategy, there is a mix of different assets or contracts to reduce the risk of being overly exposed to a single position. For example, a portfolio may have a long position in cocoa and a short position in gold, providing diversification within the commodities sector. Overall, narrative-based investing and position sizing aim to build a portfolio that aligns with the investor’s beliefs and captures opportunities based on the underlying narratives and convictions.

7. Correlation and diversification within the portfolio

Correlation and diversification within the portfolio is a key focus for the investment strategy discussed by the participants. The portfolio aims to have low correlation to equities overall, but recognizes that individual positions may have varying levels of correlation. The strategy involves concentrating on three to six teams at a time, which operate in a non-correlated manner to equities. However, the return streams of these individual plays may appear more or less correlated. The goal is to create a portfolio with a range of outcomes and manage correlation against benchmarks. Within the equity bucket, there is also diversification between Growth and Value strategies. This allows for rebalancing and averaging down costs. For example, if the value dividend strategy is down, more can be added to bring it back up, or to average down costs. This provides a little bit of diversification benefit. Additionally, the portfolio benefits from the correlational relationships between the macro strategy and the equity strategy. The combination of these two halves of the portfolio can potentially lead to something great. Overall, the strategy aims to find the right balance between asset class, underlying asset, strategy, and manager to create a portfolio that is well-diversified and has low correlation to equities.

Bradley Barrie, CFP®, ChFC®
Co-founder | Managing Director | Chief Investment Officer, Dynamic Wealth Group

Bradley Barrie, CFP®, ChFC®, is a co-founder of Dynamic Wealth Group, LLC, and serves as its managing director and chief investment officer, overseeing portfolio creation and management of the firm’s Multi-Dimensional Asset Allocation models.

Brad has 25-plus years of investment management experience. In 2017, he founded Dynamic Alpha Group, Inc. (DAG), the precursor to the firm, to help financial advisors with investment portfolio creation and management. DAG. has helped advise financial advisory firms with assets over $1 billion.

Prior to this, Brad served as a financial advisor, training manager, and compliance officer with Ameriprise Financial from 1998 to 2017. He is currently holding designations such as CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER™ and Chartered Financial Consultant®1.

Brad is also active in philanthropy. In 2017, he received the Philanthropist of the Year award from the Amita Health Foundation. In 2020, Brad created The Alliance Foundation (www.alliancecharity.org), a public 501(c)(3) whose aim is to help people build a path to prosperity through programs focused on food, shelter, and emotional support. Today, he serves on several non-profit boards.

Brad earned a Bachelor of Science in Mathematics and Economics from Rockford University.

Outside work, Brad enjoys staying active with long walks alongside his loyal dog, Bimmer. He also feeds his curiosity through diverse podcasts, blending personal enrichment with relaxation. This balanced approach to life echoes his commitment to ensuring the prosperity of his clients.

Matt O’Bryon
Investment Analyst,
Dynamic Wealth Group

Matt O’Bryon serves as an investment analyst and provides operational support for Dynamic Alpha Solutions and its clients. During college (2008), Matt was able to be a founding member at Stratos Wealth Partners, working in operations, RIA transitions, and recruiting.

But his love of investing pushed him to help start Stratos’ internal asset management arm, Stratos Wealth Management Group (SWMG for short, now Fundamentum investing, 2011). The idea was simple; most advisors are best at planning and relationship management as opposed to portfolio/investment management. He served as Lead Portfolio Manager (fundamental strategies) for five years. Along with Stratos’ CIO, SWMG grew to over $350 million in assets at the time he left (2015).

From there, Matt joined Landing Point Financial Group, serving as their in-house investment manager and eventually Managing Partner and CIO. There he oversaw the firm’s investment committee, internal models, and trading process and led the push to leave Ameriprise and become a stand-alone RIA.

As time passed, Matt realized that traditional asset management was not prepared to deal with the current investing challenges. Having always been a fundamental investor, he started taking a deep dive into the alternatives space almost in parallel with Dynamic Alpha Solutions. When he learned about the team at Dynamic Alpha Solutions, he jumped at the opportunity to help advisors navigate the increasingly complex world of alternative investment management.

His areas of focus are investment research, portfolio construction, manager due diligence, and operational and implementation support for advisor teams.

He holds a series 66 and the Certified Investment Management Analyst® (CIMA®) certification.

Matt lives with his wife Nicole and daughter Hailey in Cleveland, Ohio. When he isn’t reading research reports or listening to investing podcasts, he can usually be found cooking, playing golf, or spending time with family.

*ReSolve Global refers to ReSolve Asset Management SEZC (Cayman) which is registered with the Commodity Futures Trading Commission as a commodity trading advisor and commodity pool operator. This registration is administered through the National Futures Association (“NFA”). Further, ReSolve Global is a registered person with the Cayman Islands Monetary Authority.